

a hejtuje coś, nic nie robię istotnego, to się przyglądam dyskusjiKaonashi pisze:Czyżby Grześ dołączał do grona hejterów![]()
Ironii, nawet dramatycznie brzmiącej, tłumaczyć nie będę, nie wypada.Wojtek pisze:Niczego takiego nie napisałem, napisałem tylko, że wbrew temu co mówisz, opinie są podzielone i jednak przeważają umiarkowane lub nieco krytyczne, a nie te wieszczące geniusz. Może ogranicz sobie to dramatyzowanie i hiperbole do polityki, bu tutaj ich jeszcze nie trzeba
Jeff Bond pisze:I loved the film, especially on second viewing. All of my nerdy objections are covered either in dialogue or visually in the movie. Let's face it, everyone came to this movie with massive expectations. You can certainly look at it as a remake of the first film (with elements from the others)--Abrams addressed that as very much intentional, a way of reintroducing viewers to the saga (and I'm willing to bet it was also done because Chinese audiences ARE unfamiliar with Star Wars, and that gamble paid off as the movie did very well in China). And if it is indeed a bit of a remake, so what? Star Wars is 38 years old--if it was any other successful movie it would have been remade twice by now (and Lucas started the ball rolling with the plot of Return of the Jedi).
It's interesting how some people dismiss Williams' score--I can't remember the last time I got carried away by a theme the way Rey's theme got to me in that introduction to her character in the desert. I loved Daisy Ridley but I think Williams' theme contributed to my involvement with the character as much as her performance. I had themes from the film, from Rey's to Poe's to Kylo Ren's--stuck in my head after my first viewing of the movie and the score has been spinning nonstop since. It's much more of a whole listening experience for me than the prequel scores, where I always just cherry picked cues I wanted to listen to (although Sith I do still love as a whole).
As for the whole Rey defeats Kylo moment, you have to ignore every visual and storytelling cue built into that sequence (and the movie) to find it "too easy." Yes, Kylo is shot, yes, he has to fight someone else before Rey, and yes, Rey is not an inexperienced fighter--and it's also clear she has force abilities (it's also more than implied that she learns "the ways of the Force" FROM Kylo Ren as he attempts to probe her mind, which would give her an instinctive advantage against him).
There's another thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned here--Kylo's act of killing his father is done because he thinks it's a necessary step along his path to becoming something like a Sith lord. But this is NOT the standard act of ascension of an apprentice slaying his master; Solo is not a Force user and he exists outside that hierarchy. So when I saw that I immediately thought that the act of killing Solo WEAKENS rather than strengthens Kylo. He is crippled by that every much as he is by being shot. When they put up the screenplay for Oscar consideration I looked at that scene and that is explicitly pointed out in the scene description, that the act of killing his father appears to weaken, rather than strengthen Kylo.
Now maybe this all needed to be spoon-fed to the viewer more but I love the fact that these characters are complex enough that you can actually theorize about their motivations and pasts. I'm very much looking forward to the next movie and especially to Williams' score(s). My God, the man is 83 years old, and he can still produce a work like this. I can't remember the last time I was actually looking forward to how an upcoming sequel sees its musical themes developed and enhanced. I'm just hoping Williams stays in good health to finish those scores--what a wonderful capper on such an incredible career.
coś ze mną nie tak, też nie śmieszne, nowy wariant Georgea był śmiesznyWojtek pisze:Podrzucę zatem o połowę młodszą przeróbkę, którą poznałem dopiero, jak mi ją podesłał Paweł tuż przed świętami![]()
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxzR4WBaoW4
Pawel P. pisze:Ironii, nawet dramatycznie brzmiącej, tłumaczyć nie będę, nie wypada.
Sorry, przegapiłem kilkadziesiąt postów... rozmowa zeszła na "Forresta Gumpa" czy na co?Wojtek pisze:Pawel P. pisze:Tak jak moim zdaniem, jest to film znakomity, zabawny, inteligentny i wzruszający. A że przypadkiem uważa tak większość, nie ma na mój osąd żadnego wpływu.